FOOTBALL is a regular discussion point between milking cows and feeding calves at one south-west farm.
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Two-time Nirranda premiership co-coach Shane Quick employed Cobden mentor Adam Courtney to work on his Glenormiston property earlier this year.
Together they "chew the fat", dissecting the state of the game and nutting out ways to develop players individually.
Courtney, 40, and Quick, 53, have something else in common - between them they have seven daughters.
Courtney's three children are aged 10 and under and Quick's four girls are aged between 19 and 26.
Courtney, who has re-signed to coach Cobden again in 2021 after the coronavirus pandemic wiped out the Hampden league competition this year, said he was grateful to have someone of Quick's experience to turn to.
"He's not a bad bloke to have on your side when you want to talk footy during the day," he told The Standard.
"He's been involved in a player or coach in 23 grand finals and won 12. Shane has worked on a farm and been a footy coach too so he's very supportive of it."
Quick, who coached Warrnambool and District league club Nirranda to flags in 2016 and 2018 alongside Shane Threlfall, stepped aside at the end of the last year.
But he remains a man in demand.
"A lot of people he talks to on the phone during the day are talking footy with him so he won't get away from it that easily," Courtney joked.
Quick said having Courtney, who has worked on farms since he was 18, onboard was a positive.
"I was looking for someone earlier in the year, about February or March, and he was one of half-a-dozen guys who'd shown interest and I put him on a trial run and it's grown from there," he said.
"We are both footy heads and passionate about the game and both have coached and been through footy experiences.
"It's good to share stories and talk about the game in general and our own thoughts and theories."
Courtney had played with the Bombers previously before signing on as non-playing coach in 2019.
He coached Simpson to two Colac and District league flags before signing at Cobden.
Quick, who had planned to travel before COVID-19 struck and has not ruled a line through a return to football circles down the track, said he wanted to see Courtney lift Cobden up the ladder.
"We talk about footy in general and having been coaches, the challenges you come up against," Quick said. "A lot that I talk about is the attitude and mental side of it with understanding players and getting the best out of your group.
"That is my forte, I am a one-on-one people person. I believe in building the relationship with players and getting the best out of each individual."
"We talk about the mental challenges of dealing with each individual differently because they're all different."
Quick said he was eager to watch the Bombers' progression under Courtney.
"I know he is at Cobden so we talk about where he is at now and they have got (former Western Bulldogs coach) Brendan McCartney as a mentor on board so we reflect on that, his hopes of trying to improve Cobden and the young group he's got," he said.
"He is a passionate Cobden person and wants to elevate them to share in a bit of finals footy."